Wednesday, May 9, 2007

Group 2 Answers (Yi, Cynthia S, Olivia, Zarghoona)

Put your answers as comments to this post. Identify the question by Chapter and Question number only. No need to rewrite.

Posted by Brad at 5/09/2007 10:45:00 AM

12 comments:

olivia said...

Group two

Chapter 6, question # 1.

When Holden says that he is a “pacifist”, that is his excuse for his violent “racket” with his roommate, Stradlater, and for his lost in the fight. In addiction, he explains he had only two fights in his life that means he is a pacifist. However, in chapter 6, Holden narrates his fight is quite brutal. He uses a lot of dirty words, yelling, and striking. Then he claims he is a pacifist. That is kind of ridiculous and phony.It is just a excuse. In chapter 6, He acts like an activist.

Chapter 25, question # 1.

Later, after Holden has had time to think about Mr. Atolini, Holden wonders what Mr. Atolini will tell his wife about him for not staying at their apartment. Holden is worrying about that he may be over reacting with Mr. Atolini’s “flitty” pat at his forehead; he thinks about Mr. Atolini is nice to him, Mr. Atolini’s advice to him about finding out the size of his mind, and Mr. Atolini’s pity reaction to the dead boy, Jame Castle. Finally, Holden thinks he should go back to Atolini’s house. All and all, implying Holden’s thought about Atolini may be his “catcher in the rye”- catching Holden from his fall.

May 10, 2007 at 10:07 AM
Zarghoona said...

Chapter 22, question # 1

Phoebe’s statement tells us that Holden is a fault-finder and a critic because he habitually sees everything in a negative way. He rejects everything because he can‘t handle the situation, and his nine year old sister tries to wake him up by asking him to “Name one thing” that he likes, which is difficult for him to answer.

Chapter25, question # 4

Holden means that children are doing anything for success, and you shouldn’t disagree with them. You should let them do it. He says, “Kids are funny. You have to watch what you‘re doing” (209)it means to let them reach there goal otherwise they won’t agree with you

May 10, 2007 at 9:43 PM
Yi said...

Chapter 9, question # 1

The way Holden treats Sally shows that he is also a phony. He “felt like marrying her” (p.124) when he saw her coming with a “terrific” look; moreover, he even asked Sally to spend rest of her life with him in the country. However, he “didn't even like her much,” (p.124) and he “wouldn't've taken her even if she'd wanted to go with [him].” (p.134) In this way, Holden's true feelings about Sally are completely contradicted with his actions. Therefore, this gives us the sense that he is pretending to be something that he is not.

Chapter 24, question # 1

This quote is from an Austrian psychoanalyst, Wilhelm Stekel. It means that a mature man will live in a way which he does not want for a cause instead of dying for it. As Stekel thinks, living “humbly” is harder than dying “nobly” since it needs more courage. While an immature man dies for a cause, a mature man needs to hide his real desires and ignore his own thoughts in order to achieve his goal. Therefore, Stekel uses this quote to determine the difference between an immature man and a mature man.

May 10, 2007 at 11:54 PM
yaya said...

Chapter 14 #1

Holden truly has some guilt feelings about Allie, and that is normal in any way.
The most important reason is, that he couldn't do anything to stop his brother's death. How can an elder brother just let an eleven-year-old boy who is " about fifty times as intelligent" ( p.38)died. Thus, Holden " slept in the garage the night he died." (p.39) Further, he " broke all the goddam windows with his fist" . It is easy for a young boy feels guilty when his beloved pass away. That is why they arrange him to see a psychoanalyst.

May 11, 2007 at 12:00 AM
yaya said...

Chapter 25 #2
Holden is so scared that he keeps repeating ," Allie, don't let me disappear." Sometimes, we see dead people as a protector because their soul can be everywhere. When Holden thinks that " he'd just go down, down, down, and nobody'd ever see him again,"(p.197) and "sweating like a bastard", the only thing he can do is calling Allie's name for help. And then he reach the other side of the street without disappearing. " I'd thank him."(p.198) Holden says.

May 11, 2007 at 12:01 AM
gloria said...

Chapter 24 Question 1

Our group thinks Yi’s answer is perfect, nothing need to add.



Chapter 9 Question 1

After our group discussion, we think the example that Holden treats Sally is not appropriate, because it just presents Holden is kinds of exaggerate but not a phony. We maybe try to answer the question like this:

The way Holden tries to hide his true identity shows that he is a phony. He calls the girl, Faith Cavendish, “in this very mature voice” and pretends he knows well the girl’s friend. He covers up the fact that he “was feeling pretty horny.” Instead of that truth, he pretends “suave,” feigns an excuse and invites her “to get together for a cocktail.” Moreover, he conceals his real age (P91) and name (P54) many times in short two days. From this point, we can say he is a sure “phony.”

May 14, 2007 at 12:29 AM
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May 14, 2007 at 6:02 PM
zahra said...

Chapter 14, Question #1

After group discussion, we think that Cynthia, over all, did a good job answering the question. However, in my opinion, Holden is not to be blamed for Allie’s death because death and life are not in human hands. It depends on God’s wishes. Holden becomes very sad when he remembers the day that he didn’t let Allie go with them to Lake Sedebego. After Allie’s death he regrets his action and always feels guilty. This memory is an obsession which he suffers from all the time. Whenever he gets very depressed, he keeps telling Allie, “Go home and get your bike and meet me [Holden] in front of Bobby’s house.”(Pg.99) This memory makes him feel guilty and this is normal because we discover somebody’s worth after we have lost him.



Chapter 25, Question #2

Generally, Cynthia provides a good answer with a clear statement, conclusion and uses proper quotations. After our group discussion, perhaps, it would be better if she changed the second sentence like the following. Holden thinks that dead people are protectors because their soul can be anywhere. Especially, Allies soul, in Holden’s opinion because he loves him very much. After his death Holden always wants help from him during any disaster which happens to him.

May 14, 2007 at 6:34 PM
Russ said...

After reviewing Question #1, chapter 25. We believed that the answer was off topic and was incomplete. We believed that the could gone something like this...
Even though Holden thinks that Mr. Antolini is a pervert. Holden also thinks that Mr. Antolini is a pretty smart and a nice guy because of all the advise that he has given to Holden and for all the time that Holden has been able to call him late at night; for being welcome into Mr. Antoini's home.

May 14, 2007 at 11:31 PM
Russ said...

After reviewing question #4, chapter 25. we believed that it was incomplete and the second part of the question was not answered. The first part of the answer was done to badly. The second part of the question could go something like this..
What Holden means when he says " the thing with kids is, if they want to grab for the gold ring, you have to let them do it, and not say anything." Meaning that when childen do things for success, you should just stand back and watch them succeed at reaching their goals. When Holden says " If they fall off, they fall off, but it's bad if you say anything to them." What Holden means here is that you should give then children the freedom to make mistakes so that they can learn from them.

May 14, 2007 at 11:44 PM
llOyd said...

Olivia had a good answer for Chapter 6, question 1 but it didn't answer a part of the question, "What is a pacifist." After discussing the answer with my group we believe that the last sentence "It is just a excuse. In chapter 6, He acts like an activist." is not needed in the answer.

May 15, 2007 at 9:04 PM
llOyd said...

Zarghoona answer to Chapter 22, question 2 is good and straight to the point but it's is too short. I think that she should of state how Holden felt when Phoebe said "You don't like anything that's happening." In Chapter 22 page 169 Holden was feeling "even more depressed when she said that." and Holden couldn't concentrate as he is thinking for the things that he really likes. I believe that would add more to her answer and tell us more about Holden Caufield.

May 15, 2007 at 9:26 PM

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