Wednesday, May 9, 2007

Group 1 Answers (Hao, Yang, Rosemary, Inaya, Cynthia K)

Put your answers as comments to this post. Identify the question by Chapter and Question number only. No need to rewrite.

Posted by Brad at 5/09/2007 10:46:00 AM

9 comments:

cynthia said...

Group one
Chapter 4, question#2

Holden is nervous because he is envious that Stradlater will date Jane whom Holden “couldn’t get her off my mind.” as he says on page 32; he cares about what Stradlater will do to Jane, he is also jealous that Stradlater always has dates. Obviously, Holden remembers every bit of time he’s ever spent with Jane, and keeps questioning Stradlater about Jane and about their coming date, which shows that he likes Jane. Furthermore, Holden’s desire of “horsing around with girls,” (Page 63) causes his jealousy against Stradlater, which makes him nervous as well.

Chapter 22, Question #1

When an “old man” told Holden that his days at Pencey were the happiest days of his life depresses Holden because he says,” I just didn’t like anything that was happening at Pencey.” and he does not believe that anyone would have happy days at Pencey. He thinks the “old man” is a liar and a phony person, which is what he can not stand for. Moreover, the old man’s “phony advice” and all other “would’ve make you puke” actions: such as looks for the initials that he has carved in the can door long ago also depresses Holden.(p.168,169)

May 9, 2007 at 7:08 PM
yang said...

Chapter1, question 1
Holden’s brother D.B “used to be a regular writer” and “he wrote a terrific book” according to Holden. But D.B goes to Hollywood later and “he’s got a lot of dough”. Obviously, Holden doesn’t like Hollywood. He believes all the movies are fake and full of lies. To survive in Hollywood, D.B has to make up stories and tell all kinds of lies. Even though he made lots of money, Holden believes his job is dirty as “being a prostitute”.

Chapter 22 question 2
It tells us Holden’s attitude towards the world is completely negative. He hates his school, he doesn’t like his classmates, and everyone is “phony” from his point of view. Through the book, he uses the word like “depress” or “sad” so many times that we can’t count clearly. Phoebe asks him to name something he likes but he can’t “even think of one thing” except his dead brother Allie. What a negative character!

May 10, 2007 at 1:06 AM
Rosemary said...

Chapter 3 -Question 2
He uses an oxymoron to express he enjoys reading, but not the obligated books for school. “What I like best is a book that’s at least funny once in a while” (18). He likes classical, war and mysteries books. He likes when at the end of the reading he finds the author “ … a terrific friend of yours and you could call him up…” (18) as Somerset Maugham, Of Human Bondage, or Thomas Hardy. His favorite writers are his brother D.B. and Ring Lardner, The Return of the Native. He has read also Out of Africa, Isak Dinesen.


Chapter 24 -Question 2
The unexpected situation smashes totally him. He felt some “guy’s” hand on his head; “It really scared hell out of me” (191), and immediately he abandons Antolini’s home. It happens when Holden trusts most in one grown-up. Suddenly, he remembers that similar experiences had happen to him about twenty times. Perhaps, it is immature reaction because he is a “very, very strange boy” (191). It is not clear if it is real, or Holden’s persecution. Nevertheless, he becomes terrified, shakes and sweets losing confidence and security

May 10, 2007 at 4:27 PM
inaya said...

Chapter 3,question #2
Holden hates ackley's unhygienic atitude,"I never even once saw him brush his teeth,"(page 19)also Ackley's personality is to force himself into people's life by making it look like innocent behavior,"He wanted you to think he'd come by mistake,"(page 20).When Ackley enters Holden's room he starts picking up Holden 's personal stuff from his chiffonier and look at it.All the actions add up to make Holden loses his patient and bing annoyed.



Chapter 8,question # 1

When Holden lies about Ernest,Mrs.Morrow likes the conversation.Then she starts describing great Ernest.Holden knows that Ernest mom has an idea about her son's character,"pretty damn good idea what a bastard she was the mother of,"(page 55) but she is trying to exaggerate and add some positive thing to her son personality.The conversation makes her to act badly to look like she is believing Holden lies.Which she looks silghtly insane.

May 10, 2007 at 9:55 PM
104-98 laval street. said...

Chapter 7 Question 1

When a person is leaving the place where he has been living a while, he could express his hesitate. At the moment when Holden “all of a sudden” decided to “get the hell out of Pency”, he started recalling those days on the campus, even though they were less fantastic. Outside the dorms and the corridor were dead quiet and no body was around. Inside he felt more lonesome and worried than ever. Where is his future? Holden couldn’t help being in tears.

Chapter 25 Question 4

Holden insists that the children are crystal-like and innocent, compared to adult’s “lousy” and “phony”. When the kids are playing on the carrousel, they enjoy themselves by whatever they do. They can face the challenges and the attractions on their own. The adults should not pour out so much advice on what or how to do. Here Holden implies strongly: Leave the children alone.

May 10, 2007 at 10:07 PM
olivia said...

Comments

Chapter 4, question #2

Cynthia, over all, you did a good job answering the question and following paragraph format - have topic sentence, supporting detail and effective quotation, and conclusion. However, the topic sentence unusually uses quotation and too long. It is not clear enough. You can restate like that: “Holden is nervous because he is care about Jane.” Then you save the quotation part for supporting sentence. The second sentence is a run on sentence. You should add a conjunction “and” before “he is”.

Chapter 22, question #1

Cynthia, same, the topic sentence is not clear enough with the quotation. How about rewrites it as:
Holdon depresses because he doesn’t believe what the ‘old guy’ says.
Then uses the quotation to the next supporting detail as:
When the old guy says that his days at Pencey were the happist days of his life, Holdon conversely says, “I just didn’t like anything that happening at Pencey” in chapter 22. Holden does not believe that anyone would have happy days at Pencey. Holden narrates the old man’s advice is “phony advice” and actions “would’ve make you puke”. He thinks the “old man” is a liar and a phony person, which is what he can’t stand for.
The conclusion would be:
Therefore, the phony old guy’s positive statement about Pencey is opposites Holden’s point of view that makes him depressed.

May 12, 2007 at 12:08 PM
Yi said...

Chapter 3 -Question 1

It is a good answer with a clear topic sentence and effective quotes. However, I think the quotes need to be introduced in a better way, and the body of the paragraph needs some work on organization in order to make the answer more clear.

Chapter 3 -Question 2

This question has been well answered by effective quotes and a good conclusion. However, I think it is better to add a better topic sentence, such as "Ackley's behaviors annoy Holden a lot." Moreover, the way the quotes integrated into sentences is not as successful as the idea of the answer, and some work can be done on it.

May 14, 2007 at 10:58 PM
yang said...

The comment for Lloyd’s answer to chapter 4 question 1
It’s a good answer. It answered three questions in order clearly. Two quotations used are correct. And I totally agree the conclusion reached in the answer. On the other hand, there are some friendly suggestions. Two quotations are little less than usual and by adding more quotations will get more solid support. Holden refers to Stradlater as a “secret slob” because “He always looked all right,” but actually, his personal habits are disgusting as “Ackley”. “The razor” used as a specific example to explain it. If the answer to the “secret slob” question can be stated from in general to specific example will be better understood. At last, the “Stradlater is the same height” sentence from Lloyd’s answer can be modified to start with “Stradlater looks like same height as Holden”. Two words “looks like” refer back to the question “What does he look like?” and give readers a clear clue that here is the answer for the third question.
The comment for Joy’s answer to chapter 26 question 1
The answer is good. The topic sentence is clear and it does be explained in organized way. It may need few quotations to get more support for the answer. Also one grammatical error is found. “On the one hand” should be “one hand”. Actually, this is a very difficult question to answer because there are completely opposite opinions. One opinion is the author gives readers a little hope in Holden at the end of the story. When D.B asks Holden what he thinks about his story he “just finished telling”, Holden says “I don’t know.” But he admits he misses everybody, “even old Stradlater and Ackley”. This is a positive change in Holden. When Holden recalls his past at the end of the book, he realizes there is something good in the past. It means Holden grows up a little somehow and he is able to view the world with more balance. It’s the true meaning of what Holden says in the question. On the contrary, another opinion is Holden never changes from the beginning to the end. It’s a common sense and human nature that when a person recalls his past he misses everybody. It doesn’t mean anything beyond that. Holden is still same Holden.

May 14, 2007 at 11:50 PM
yaya said...

Chapter 22 #2

Our group believe that Yang's answer is proper and acceptable.

Chapter 7 # 1

Our group tried to rewrite the topic sentence as following:

Holden crys because he is hurt and depressed.
Besides, we would like to mention to Hao : When we use quote from the novel, we need to write down the page number.

May 15, 2007 at 12:00 PM

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